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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2017.02.26 10:04:04 -
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Naye Nathaniel wrote: logging off, and on tousands of times a day
you wut m8
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2017.02.26 10:05:35 -
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Naye Nathaniel wrote: What means "stupid getting ganked in high sec"? And why i should put so much effort to just move stuff from place to place for a 10-20mil ISK profit? Because some dumb ppl bored of their lifes decide to screw someones game?
well if you want to do it safely then yes. at least they are messing with your game within the confines of the game you want to change the game to turn their game to ****
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2017.02.26 10:07:40 -
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Van Doe wrote: So you want concord to be buffed so they can police in null?
Btw that's a total legit loss. Nothing to do with the stupidly getting ganked in highsec
no it has to do with stupidly hauling BPOs in a domi through null lol
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2017.02.26 10:24:10 -
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Naye Nathaniel wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote: What means "stupid getting ganked in high sec"? And why i should put so much effort to just move stuff from place to place for a 10-20mil ISK profit? Because some dumb ppl bored of their lifes decide to screw someones game?
well if you want to do it safely then yes. at least they are messing with your game within the confines of the game you want to change the game to turn their game to **** Im in HIGH SEC - that means i should be SAFE to do it- If i want to put so much effort for being safe - i would move my ass and go by low sec;
i would like to direct you to eves FAQ where it is plainly stated that HS is not safe sec
Quote: Being safe means I already PUT MUCH EFFORT as i changed my route from 10j to 20j; And U decide to screw MY game - and of course there is no consq for you doing that;
only screw your game if i out play you. that's the game you are playing go to wow if you want a theme park this is a sandbox
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2017.02.26 10:34:52 -
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Erich Einstein wrote: To prevent alpha clones from continually being rolled and used as disposable gank toons, I propose that only omega pilots be allowed to set their safety to red, while alpha clones can only set their safety to yellow at most.
except ganking is one of the most enjoyable and accessible parts of the game for a new player. it probably generates more subs than it costs.
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2017.02.26 11:13:21 -
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Naye Nathaniel wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Erich Einstein wrote: To prevent alpha clones from continually being rolled and used as disposable gank toons, I propose that only omega pilots be allowed to set their safety to red, while alpha clones can only set their safety to yellow at most.
except ganking is one of the most enjoyable and accessible parts of the game for a new player. it probably generates more subs than it costs. If you think so then u have to be a short brained...
what part isn't true?
hell when it comes to subscriptions ccp showed that ppl that get ganked are more likely too
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2017.02.26 13:32:40 -
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Naye Nathaniel wrote:Danika Princip wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:It's so funny as mostly gangers speak in this thread as "Ganking is fine" :) Got any proof that everyone who disagrees with you is a ganker, or are you just making the accusation because you have no actual answer to them? Killboard is "my proof"
okay show me just how much of a ganker i am then. i think you will find i have been ganked far more than i have ganked
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2017.02.26 13:35:04 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:They are not their corp, their corp is not them  i must disagree with you
everything you do reflects on your corp everything your corp does reflects on you should you chose to associate yourself with some one you are guilty of their sins
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2017.02.26 13:51:26 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:They are not their corp, their corp is not them  i must disagree with you everything you do reflects on your corp everything your corp does reflects on you should you chose to associate yourself with some one you are guilty of their sins heh, true enough, associate with pirates, get called a pirate. The point I was making is that he accused Danika personally of being a ganker, and then used Goonwaffes killboard to "prove" it, probably because Danika's killboard didn't tally with with his preconceptions about the people who disagree with him
lol i'll let him have it there are plenty of people in this thread who are even in alliances and corps that he's not going to be able to point to.
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2017.02.26 16:36:35 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:I give no **** - if you "live" in corp which is known from ganking others - for me you are ganger. thats all; I have a really big brush that can be used to apply tar. I also have a 360-¦ excavator that can be used to make the hole you're digging for yourself even bigger. Both are available to hire at reasonable rates.
love how he didn't go to show how you and i were gankers lol
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2017.02.27 09:34:57 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:Nat Silverguard wrote:smart freighters are fine with the current system and find it balanced. Wrong, darling.  Also intelligent and not lazy freighters get targeted a lot, and it costs immense effort to mitigate as much risk to your ship as possible. A single worthless Blackbird can destroy all countermeasures available to freighters and detours, for instance, to circumvent an incoming gank cost money that no one compensates you for.
the hell are you talking about? black bird tries to jam your web before the gank starts he just called concord early he waits and you have already got your freighter out. not to mention the best ship in the game for this is also a recon and they have immense sensor strength. then you have one black bird cant do anything it has to have friends to actually do the gank
Quote: No freighter considers the current system fine and balanced; however, it is better than anything anyone has suggested to date as alternative or "better". Everything that has been suggested so far only makes matters worse for freighters in particular.
i find it very balanced and you can look through my KB in the first year or so i started using freighters i lost quit a few. now even though i use them more i haven't lost one in over two years.
or well if anything its not balanced in favor of the freighter. you need about a dozen pilots to have a chance against me and my alt. why is it with ganking people say "they don't have to risk much isk to kill my expensive stuff" no where else in EvE is more isk = better and less isk = worse. I can kill a 2b blinged cruiser in a frig worth 7mill. anyplace else in eve if you could easily take on 12+ players with only two and have a strong chance of winning you would here huge cries to nerf it no matter the value of each side
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2017.02.27 09:52:24 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:Nat Silverguard wrote:Actually, no darling.
key word here is 'intellegent', do you really think that intellegent JF pilots that understand EvE and love this game would ask more safety and at the same time kill a legit gameplay? I consider myself intelligent and I ask for more consequences to ganking, not more safety for haulers. That's a big difference. Right now, there are no tangible consequences for ganking whatsoever: A ganker can keep docking in NPC stations, a ganker can keep stocking assets in NPC stations, a ganker can keep docking in an NPC station although he just killed another guy that is in that NPC corp, a ganker can just drop to any NPC corp in case of war decs and keep killing people and people in that same NPC corp. There are no consequences to their gameplay that matter (no, facpo does not matter, neither does their low sec status or killrights because they are only docked most of the time and only undocked for mere minutes or seconds). Naturally, players should be responsible for punishing them but at the moment there is no feasible way to actually do that. That is something that ought to change, for instance, in form of lockouts from NPC stations and the "encouragement" to use player built structures that you can at least engage. It does not provide more safety for haulers, but actual consequences for gankers. Blackpedro, I do not see that edge case as an issue at all. Ganking is a very conscious action because you actually have to enable the gank mode (safeties set to red). By consciously doing that, you know what will happen. Or should, because at the moment it is not all that well explained what can happen to you. Perhaps if an NPC lockout thing actually got implemented, this should be explained in more detail in the NPE/tooltips when you enable red safety.
why? why should HS ganking carry with it more even consequences enforced by the game than anyplace else? why should player X's gameplay be subject to even more arbitrary consequences then it already is just because YOU don't like it.
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2017.02.27 09:53:47 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:NightmareX wrote:It makes you enter warp faster (aka speed mods) over actually using the freighter as a freighter. So i'm not sure, but you don't seems to be smart by suggesting that a freighter can't use the intended modules for a freighter before they can be smart? Again, OK  . Wow....how long have you been playing. A freighter will never enter warp "fast". I don't care how you fit it. It will always be a slow and cumbersome ship. As such, you should tank it with bulkheads. You don't have to be the fastest you just have to be less desirable than the dummy next to your. If he has as much cargo and anti-tanks his freighter you will have a good chance of getting through while he won't. Cripes...why am I explaining this?
not true your best bet is to insta warp it. you used to be able to tank providence before the hull resist changes but now most groups will have enough to kill a tanked ob
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2017.02.27 10:01:53 -
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NightmareX wrote: Not only that, but if every freighters starts to use reinforced bulkheads, then it wont matter as the gankers will just bring more gankers to make sure they die anyways.
doesn't that mean they lose more ships?
isn't that adding to the consequence of ganking you? wasn't that the point?
or is the point really that you want to make ganking so difficult you don't have to deal with it?
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2017.02.27 10:04:05 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:NightmareX wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Wow....how long have you been playing.
A freighter will never enter warp "fast". I don't care how you fit it. It will always be a slow and cumbersome ship. As such, you should tank it with bulkheads. You don't have to be the fastest you just have to be less desirable than the dummy next to your. If he has as much cargo and anti-tanks his freighter you will have a good chance of getting through while he won't.
Cripes...why am I explaining this? Was there something in the word 'FASTER' that was hard for you to understand? Being fast and being faster is not the same thing. Just saying. And i have told you earlier on how long time i have been playing, but you seems to have memory issues remembering what i'm saying to you, so i'm gonna bother telling you the same thing over and over again. No freighter goes into warp "fast enough" to avoid being bumped if you are over-stuffed and the only guy on field, unless you have a scout who has webs. But then you maintain using webs is not good game design so we can toss that. So you anti-tank your ship to enter warp faster and all you do is make it easier to gank. Good job. 
lol he said using webs was poor game design?
even if it wasn't original intended i find it to be great its a powerful way to help a friend using a tool that already existed in the game originally meant to make it easier to kill. stuff like this is why eve's sandbox is great
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